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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 13:43:42 GMT -8
First of all, I'm Kera and I play Bella. I am not Kim who plays Mandii or Moxie. It was very unfair from the beginning that she was put in a match for the television title and wasn't informed she was getting the Bombshell, which is a joke. Why would this matter? Because she won but didn't get the title that was on the line for winning, instead it was seen as best to give her the bombshell and let mastermind retain his title.
Now you make a joke of Moxie and "disciplined" her keeping her from going for a title for 30 days, because? She won the match, but because of the unfairness in here she is the bad one? Go figure.
I know it doesn't matter to you, but the people, other than me and Kim, that I had talked about coming in won't be coming in because of everything that has transpired.
I have been told this is not real, but the time that we put in here is real. Kim has helped out in here and given time to this place because she likes to "play the game" which is the reason most of us rp. When playing a game you play fair, and quiet honestly this place isn't fair. And again, I know you don't care.
Kim put a lot of her time into this place not only with her rp's, but with your graphics and all. We had talked and she really wanted to help and make things the best. I had also offered my services, but it wasn't wanted.
Darius, when I talked to you, I told you that things needed to be fair. All I hear is it's not real. Again, the time people put in here to have fun is real. I have read where people are coming back because of things that have gone on in their life's, but they come back, why? Because they want to have fun and it can be an outlet from the real world.
I'm not going to try to get anyone to understand. I will however leave if you want me to. Treat people better and not stand in a mode of bromancing. I honestly was looking forward to branching out Bella and possibly working with others on storylines.
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Post by engy on Nov 14, 2018 14:02:08 GMT -8
First off, full disclosure, I'm not staff and the closest I get to it is writing an occasional match.
I do see where you're coming from with the title switch at the PPV. When I was reading it, it did seem a little weird but I just figured it must have been something agreed upon beforehand or something. I see now that it wasn't, and yeah, I'd be a little miffed too. I can only speculate that Moxie was given the title because she was a female character, although we've had guys with the Bombshell before, but it was largely in a humorous vein (Azrael being seen as having an indeterminate alien gender, and, well....Todd). It probably wasn't a deliberate slight, but more a matter of convenience and returning the Bombshell to being a proper women's title. Again, just speculating, but it's my best guess.
That being said, when I read the "Moxie shitting on the Bombshell title" thing she wrote, my immediate response was....yuck. The whole thing just came across as wildly disrespectful and reeked of someone taking this far too seriously. That was far from the best way to handle some discontent OOC and honestly seemed pretty unsportsmanlike and juvenile.
So I guess my take on it, yeah, probably some room for legitimate gripe but was ultimately handled very poorly. Plus it's not like women can't hold other titles here. Hell, Mandii is the Hart champion now. A woman being Bombshell champion is not a relegation to some second tier status. If anything, I see the TV and Bombshell titles being on somewhat equal footing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 14:09:56 GMT -8
One of the things is I read Moxies rp's and she dissed the Bombshell which would have made the ending of that match a little stupid. I just don't appreciate how she was treated and not will to be done that way either. Which is why, I calling to play, judge, and all fair.
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Post by Mandii Rider on Nov 14, 2018 14:15:28 GMT -8
Ok, since this has to do with my character and the stuff I wrote on her let me clear a few things up. First, I was not told for Moxie they were going to have her take the bombshell instead of the Tele. I understand they wanted a female to carry the championship, however, I did say in my rps Moxie didn't want it. Yes, I did not like it because I was not told it was going to happen and I did put work into Moxie and her rps, hours of work. However I did talk to Vinnie about it and said ok whatever basically. The post I made is something I would have done on Mandii in MSN if the same thing happened. I wasn't told of what they had planned so I went with that they gave me. At this point, it's done and over with. In other words, it is what it is.
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Post by Vinnie Lane on Nov 14, 2018 16:12:51 GMT -8
Hi Kera.
I'm tired of you.
Mandii and I have already had long discussions about this, and I'm honestly not certain where you fit into this. Because you'r friends? Adorable. Irrelevant though.
What is it you want here? Just give her the TV title? Let Mastermind be the Women's Champ? Ar you aware that these titles are imaginary and therefore their status is entirely in your own mind? The titles are exactly as important as you want them to be, but from an XWF perspective they are on the same level.
I made a decision, I explained to Mandii what that decision was and told he she could respond to it, IC, any way she chose to. She chose to toss it in the trash. Cool. I responded IC as well in an appropriate way.
I appreciate the time and effort anyone puts in here. However, I am NOT going to be held hostage by it. Graphics are nice, but the second they get thrown in my face in some petty "look at what I do for you!" nonsense again I'll just take them down. Same with your incoming friends. Anyone is welcome here, but if they are going to follow in the footsteps of only popping up when it's time to make a fuss over something silly, then no thanks, they aren't needed.
What exactly is "not fair" about WINNING the god damn match? That she didn't receive the specific title she thought she'd get? Come on now.
I'm a pretty nice guy, but these kinds of accusations and comments about 'bromancing' etc. serve no purpose other than to piss me off.
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Post by Vinnie Lane on Nov 14, 2018 16:13:35 GMT -8
FYI "30 days" is like 3 shows. Relax.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 16:41:46 GMT -8
Originally I wasn't going to respond to this but since you felt the need to name me specifically I will.
"It was very unfair from the beginning that she was put in a match for the television title and wasn't informed she was getting the Bombshell, which is a joke. Why would this matter? Because she won but didn't get the title that was on the line for winning, instead it was seen as best to give her the bombshell and let mastermind retain his title."
How is it unfair? She opted into the PPV and was randomly put into the match that had the TV tile and Bombshell title. She wasn't put into them after she made it clear she hates that tile. What if Bob had listed the winner gets the Bombshell and the 2nd place finisher gets the TV? Would she have just not roleplayed? Again she opted into the show without any idea what titles she would have a chance to win. It was purely the luck of the draw.
The reason the title was given to her the way it was made it pretty clear that we read her roleplays and the GM character was flexing his IC muscle by forcing it onto her. Not an uncommon angle for an authority figure to make a power play. Our hope was that she would take the title and restore some balance to it. I mean if you think that title is a joke there was a time when the TV title had like 10 different holders in the same show.
At the end of the day the decision that was made was done so because it made the most sense for the fed and for the characters involved. Mandii/Moxie clearly disagreed and that is unfortunate but ultimately we do what is best for the fed above that of a specific handler. It's not like she was jobbed, she walked out with a title. May not have been the one she wanted but she got one. Lots of people win titles they may not have wanted just based on how things shake out.
I take exception with the notion that this place isn't fair. It is fair, very fair. What it isn't is perfect, no fed is. But we bend over backwards to keep things as fair and on the up and up.
I also don't understand why you felt the need to interject yourself into a situation that as far as I knew had been discussed by Vinnie and Moxie and put to bed. Kim is a big girl, she can fight her own battles.
At the end of the day all your post really did is make you look silly and bring up an issue that everyone who was actually involved had moved past. I like Mandii, she is a hard worker and a joy to have around. I hope she continues to do so, and I hope you do as well but if you think this place is as bad as it is then why stay? Hopefully this thread has given you the closure that you felt you needed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 16:43:46 GMT -8
Looks to me like we can see who is acting like a child. I reacted to your post under the burning of the belt. It's not silly when you screw over a character for your own ideas, but like I said before I'm not going to try to get you or anyone else to understand. You haven' talked to me before at all.
Not fair about winning is not getting the belt she was fighting for and giving her a belt that she had dissed in her rp's....misusing a character...fair is asking her about using her character to take the belt she dissed to start with....misusing a character....this is not real, but as I said before we put real time in this.
Am I only standing up for Kim because we are friends...No...I was aware that things weren't fair when I talked to Darius, only because he came to me first. You on the other hand haven't talked to me at all. Go into your god mode and be pissed, and FYI 30 days doesn't matter cuz Moxie seems to be gone.
I'm done, I'm not going to go back and forth anymore....Your the Boss
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Post by Vinnie Lane on Nov 14, 2018 16:48:21 GMT -8
Oh we spoke plenty when you felt the need to insult the entire PPV concept when it first came up.
Again, my response to Moxie IN CHARACTER destroying the title was an IN CHARACTER response as an authority figure. Kim and I spoke AFTER I posted that. Your tantrum is simply serving no purpose other than to insult myself and Darius.
I'm curious though, sine you have all these answers. What's the "right" way to fix this, in your opinion?
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Post by Mandii Rider on Nov 14, 2018 17:15:21 GMT -8
Stop this already!!! I've been talking to Vin and Darius about this so will everyone stop being assholes to everyone?
First of all how I feel about the championships are I guess my own opinions which is fine. Whatever. But here is something you guys need to understand. Yes, none of this is real but the work we put in our rp is real. I spend hours on Mandii's rps and I did the same for Moxie so I felt upset because I wasn't even asked about the title change. If you really want to know my side of the story you can message me since I'm sick of all this on the boards.
As for you Vinnie did I ever EVER hold the graphics over you or anyone? No, I even said I would keep helping with Savage and do the graphics even after I start working in another federation.
Now STOP
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Post by Vinnie Lane on Nov 14, 2018 17:21:06 GMT -8
I wasn't saying it to you, Mandii. Your friend decided to insert herself.
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